Taxes provide a lot of good

Jerry Hess

Wed Mar 17 2010 03:26

Bah forgot to put my name on the correction, now it just looks odd.

Anonymous

Wed Mar 17 2010 03:25

terrorists and say*

Jerry Hess

Wed Mar 17 2010 03:24

I'm not missing your point, in fact, I hit you dead on: "I do believe we should be able to target certain individuals.". That's funny, that's hysterical, next let's target all Canadians because they're damning our country with their universal healthcare and while we're at it, let's target any Non-American because they all don't support us anymore in these pointless wars on "terrorism". It's funny that mention most of the world's terrorists come from the Middle East, no that's only in AMERICA that we believe and concede ourselves to believe that terrorists only come from the Middle East. Most of the world view US as terrorists are say that we've driven the "War on Terror" to the hill, it's gone so far we've become the thing we were trying to stop. So by your logic, let's get everyone on this post, line them up, and strip search them, stripping them of rights and liberties to privacy. Being biased is not being smart or safe, it's actually being stupid and conceded. If we target and focus on Middle Eastern people, you're opening the door for say Canada to just attack the hell out of us. Not saying they will, but it'll be very easy for non-Middle East people to attack us, then shall we stereotype against those people and just let people other people attack us. Your logic is flawed, being biased doesn't solve problems it creates them. You argue against the liberal bias passing mass taxes and healthcare reform, yet you want to be biased in your own way. How about just letting everyone have the same equal chances and opportunities as everyone else? Besides, the whole reason they're terrorists to us is because we're still messing with them. Everyone's biased, can we change this? We should just stop stepping in the lives and wallets of people, let someone do as they wish and everyone have the same liberties as others.

John

Tue Mar 9 2010 04:36

You're absolutely missing my point, Jerry. I did not say we should strip search all Americans. I simply pointed out that there is a culture of political correctness that hinders this country's ability to keep itself safe. We are branded criminals if we 'target' men of Mid-East decent, even though the vast majority of terrorists in the world today are Middle Eastern. Don't misunderstand me. I am absolutely against socialism, facism, communism, etc. But I do think we should be able to target certain individuals.

Jerry Hess

Sat Mar 6 2010 18:46

Let me get this straight. You believe we should follow the policies of foreign countries and strip search all Americans? Then get out of the country, that solves that "security problem". Next you'll tell me we must all be drafted cause if you don't join the military you must die and then you'll tell me anyone not a Morally good(by your standards) American that doesn't believe in the the traditional American values(also by your standards) must be removed from the country or killed. How about you get out of my life and don't force your morale upon me and I won't bother you, deal? Same goes with those that support Socialism and Communism and Fascism and any other tax increasing ism. Quit forcing what YOU think on ME with your many many regulations. If you want to give up this country to the government go ahead, just go ahead. Go on and give it to the government, not only will they gladly take your rights and liberties, they'll gladly force you to submit to their Fascist whims. After a bunch of epic failures and a lot of over regulation that destroys the essence of this country, you'll stand behind me when you realise i was the one making sense when I said GET THE GOVERNMENT OUT OF MY LIFE.

John

Fri Mar 5 2010 04:00

And true, you don't HAVE to serve in the military to know about personal sacrifice. But I can tell you from experience, there aren't many other things that can compare. Donating time or money to a charity, or giving up something for lent, or letting a buddy borrow your car does not compare to leaving your family, being thrown into an unfamiliar country, fighting for people and causes that you don't understand, and watching your buddies fall in front of you. It takes a certain kind of person to deal with that, and personally, I'm glad that most young people choose not to take that path. They probably couldn't handle it.

John

Fri Mar 5 2010 03:51

I did not 'exploit' my service to prove a point. I used my experience fighting extremists overseas to outline a real problem - there are people out there who's goal is to destroy the United States. And while I don't like to generalize about who they are, let's be perfectly honest - a VERY large majority of them are Muslim extremists who don't agree with our way of life. Is this saying all Muslims are bad? Of course not. I spent a lot of time in the Middle East (unless you were born there, probably more than you), and I know FROM MY EXPERIENCE that there are some very peaceful people there. But just like a lot of other cultures, there are extremists that see death and destruction as an end to their means. We are so afraid to say it for fear of being labled as 'politically incorrect', but the FACT is, most of the terrorism being committed today is done overwhelmingly by Muslim extremists. Does that mean we should target people of Mid-East origin during checkpoints? Well, yes, it does. When Muslim extremists stop blowing up buildings and buses and orphanages, they we'll stop searching you. Most of the people who disagree wtih this type of targeting have never been overseas. Fly into Israel. EVERYONE is subject to strip searches, and guess what? They haven't had an airliner hijacked in 30 years! I don't think your a terrorist. But no matter how hard we try, we can't ignore the fact that a lot of terrorists come from this particular religion. As far as being a 'tea bagger', well, if that means you and I and everyone else in the United States gets to keep more of their paychecks instead of letting the government fritter it away on b.s. programs, well, guess I'm guilty as charged.

Jerry Hess

Thu Mar 4 2010 13:48

I have to agree with Mr. Reagan sux. To tax me is foolish, to not tax me and morally regulate me is even more foolish. You actually believe religious extremism will destroy this country? 5% of the world actually has extremists by the stereotypes most Americans argue, please learn what you're talking about. You behind me makes me look foolish.

Reagan wasnt that great

Wed Mar 3 2010 19:36

First of all, I honestly applaud your service in the military. It is incredibly brave and warrants respect.
However, exploiting it to prove an argument is wrong. Drawing assumptions based on what someone rights is also wrong. You don't have to serve in the military to experience personal sacrifice for the greater good. I make straight A's, which doesn't mean much at this pathetic excuse for a school. I identify with the Muslim faith, therefore i do not engage in drinking. No getting up for classes isn't hard for me, the hardships I deal with include living my life as an American Muslim and being chastised and profiled based on my religion. I have to deal with ignorant people who think every Muslim is an extremist who will suicide bomb you. So yes, I know plenty about religious extremism because I am constantly labeled falsely as being one.
Next time you decide to draw assumptions about someone, use some common sense

Jerry Hess

Tue Mar 2 2010 18:37

Alright not letting me post anymore.

Jerry Hess

Tue Mar 2 2010 18:35

I got Medicaid to pay for exams and physicals that CONTINUED my Medicaid, which I'm assuming means if I wasn't good or reliable to not use the system, say i FAILED the physical means that I wouldn't have continued receiving Medicaid.

Jerry Hess

Tue Mar 2 2010 18:34

Now on the subject of Medicare, I've SEEN this system. I've EXPERIENCED this system, and I KNOW this system. Come from a semi-financially struggling family I was ON Medicaid. Trust me when I say this is a HORRIBLE system and should be destroyed immediately. I can personally assure you the last 3 years I was on it, I did nothing.

Jerry Hess

Tue Mar 2 2010 18:32

Trying something: Alright questionnaire over, let's have a brief overview here: I was a major fan of LBJ and FDR, they were heroes. Until I not only saw but EXPERIENCED the many flaws with their socialist systems that ironically aren't working yet continue to throw money at. Social Security is driving us bankrupt and they predict it to last TWO YEARS after the Baby Boomers are all on SS(without major changes and corrections), meaning more people will be on SS than people NOT on SS. Welfare was proven broken when big names and rich people could pull from the system if they proved a child to be financially stressful.

Jerry Hess

Tue Mar 2 2010 18:31

There's more, this damn comment blog won't let me post the rest of it, I've tried breaking in to segments and it's not working. If you would like to hear the rest, an email would suffice.

Jerry Hess

Tue Mar 2 2010 18:27

Alright a questionnaire! Yes I am a student at Marshall, what does my major have anything to do with this? but ehh, it's Theatre Production and my minor is Po Sci. What books have I read? You don't want me to list em, gets a little lengthy(reading used to be my pastime before college, now I struggle a little in the time dept to read), yes I have read books of opposition, because BELIEVE IT OR NOT, I come from the Liberal side and was a heavy Socialist for about 2-3 years. Then I realised the flaws with the books I had overlooked and now I oppose it. Recycling arguments? Call my argument whatever makes you happy but trust me when I say it's my own.

Anonymous

Sun Feb 28 2010 20:45

Jerry Hess, you are an idiot who I would bet has never taken an econ class. Are you a student of Marshall? What is your major? What books have you read? Have you read any in support of the other side or are you just recycling the arguments of those politicians who you so deeply admire?

Anonymous

Sun Feb 28 2010 11:48

I think this argument is pretty much pointless now. you all have made your points and its obvious that no one is going to be swayed from them, so there isn't much sense in debating this anymore. this has turned into an online filibuster.

Jerry Hess

Sun Feb 28 2010 03:51

First off, who said I thought Socialism was an insult? I'm just saying Socialism doesn't work, Socialism leads to Communism, Communism screwed up quite a few countries. If I called you a Communist than yes yes I'd probably be trying to insult you. Aside from that, no supporting Socialised medicine, believing a tax hike will fix the problems, and pointing out the problems with the Founding Fathers to make it seem they were stupid economically makes you a Socialist.

I'm well aware Capitalism is about booms and busts, but are you aware busts happen less frequently than booms(amazing right?!). What doesn't fix the problem is when the government steps in and tries to fix it, because they'll require things be done so nobody experiences financial problems. In a recession, people are supposed to experience problems and struggle if you shift this so noone suffers you're just lengthening the problem. In a recession what ends up fixing it is when the rich step up and put forth a little more money til they're just skimming by like the poor and people finally make a profit, effectively charity. What happened is the government caught on to the pattern and just steps in to take the money away, it causes problems because the rich run out of money. The poor spend the money and have no money anymore, therefore the rich have no money and the poor have no money causing bigger problems. What you're talking about is at the end of the 1920s we starting hitting a bust period because people became too crazy with money and went to the stock market. Hoover then entered office and decided to fix it by regulating the capitalism and jacking the taxes, we saw the end result of it.

You mention that I highlight only the good parts, well you highlight only the bad parts. Your a monopoly believer here, you fear monopoly overtake, I can tell just by the dangerous and cyclical statement. Monopolies rarely if ever happen, and they DON'T LAST. Regardless popular belief Small Businesses check Big Businesses and vice versa. If for example Walmart comes to a struggling small town, it may boom a bit to the point it nearly hits a monopoly, but people begin to have a little more money and before, if not shortly after, the "monopoly", people start going to their small businesses in the town again, they have money to make these businesses prosper, this CHECKS the big business.

On the subject, I never said taxes cause a depression. However if your solution is to tax in a recession, I smell a Hoover repeat. As for the mention of bad part of the story, I admit capitalism can be dangerous. However I made the argument and presented the one against me. You say I didn't but I didn't you didn't look. Benjamin Harrison increased taxes and tariffs and started regulating capitalism to make it better economically and screwed us in to a debt. He did pretty good with anti-monopoly and anti-trust laws, but he stepped up to tax increases and heavier regulation and gave us a debt. Know what fixed it? Not MORE TAXES, Grover Cleveland and LAISSEZ FAIRE capitalism, he kept the anti-monopoly and anti-trust laws though because it made capitalism easier and more beneficial to all.

As for your arguments: Slowdown at the end of the last century, what you think Clinton was a prophet that didn't intervene in our capitalism just because he removed some of George H. W. Bush's regulations? Since Coolidge we've had a bunch of very good conning artists that make people "believe" they're not regulating capitalism but in turn doing the opposite so they can take over our economy. "I don't understand the fascination with liberty and economic freedom." - Bill Clinton, that's why the economy slumped then. I also just answered your question about the 90s, Bush didn't deregulate capitalism, in fact he put some very heavy regulations in because he thought Reagan was TOO ECONOMICALLY FREE. Anyone that thinks he deregulated our nation's capitalism(which he didn't even say he did, and if he did he's lying), has a lot to learn about the government's interference. Also, "I don't think Bush and the Democratic Congress were particularly interventionist." WTF?!?! You know nothing about economics do you? Not that we're doing a battle here, but I WIN. If you actually believe they did not interfere with our capitalism then you don't know your argument. Your just saying things at this point, because they were extremely regulatory, in fact, Obama is criticized for his policies at the moment and they aren't much different than Bush's regulations. It's actually just a bit higher taxes and now he's interfering in health situations(outlawing flavored tobacco), so yeah...

On a final note, why do you keep talking like I'm a Republican? I am neither a Republican or a Democrat. I don't care who has had more economic growth than the other, they both suck economically since WWII.

John

Sun Feb 28 2010 01:36

My 'little tea bagger rant'? Let me tell you something, pal. Before I came to this two-bit university, I served in combat overseas, fighting the very people that are trying to destroy this country - as my father did before me, and his father did before him. Yes, socialistic ideas exist in this country, just as the do around the world. I'm guessing you have zero experience with the concept of personal sacrifice for the greater good, nor do you have any idea the hardships that others around the world deal with. You probably think a tough 'battle' is trying to get up for a 10 am class after a long night of drinking. Keep half-assing your classes, man. Keep pulling those C's and walking around with your misguided sense of superiority. It's too bad jacks like you have no idea about the sacrifices plenty of people have made against socialism and religious extremism, just so you can shoot your mouth off about things you know nothing about.

Reagan wasnt that great

Sat Feb 27 2010 12:16

Socialism is the token tea bagger card that was irrelevant a year ago and its still irrelevant now. The fact that most people who use the term socialism also use it interchangeably for fascism, marxism, etc. They are all different. You probably don't know what socialism is. Socialism doesn't, nor will it ever, exist in America. Give up on you little tea bagger rant.