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Triggering controversy

Group advocates to carry concealed weapons on campus

Published: Thursday, November 19, 2009

Updated: Thursday, November 19, 2009 00:11

Triggering controversy

SHOLTEN SINGER

An organization on campus is attempting to have legislation allow students to carry concealed weapons on campus in order for personal safety.

A student organization is aiming to take safety on campus up a level.
Some states have passed legislation allowing concealed weapons to be carried on college campuses.  Most recently in May, Texas gave students and employees the right to carry concealed weapons on its campuses. 
Students for Concealed Carry on Campus, or SCCC, is a national organization that promotes holders of state-issued concealed handgun licenses should be allowed the same measure of personal protection on college campuses that current laws afford them virtually everywhere else, according to ConcealedCampus.org.
This national movement has sparked the formation of a new student group on Marshall University’s campus.  Marshall Students for Concealed Carry on Campus, or MSCCC, is in the process of being recognized by Marshall as a student organization. 
According to ConcealedCampus.org, West Virginia is one of 15 states where the state leaves the decision regarding concealed carry on campus entirely to each college or university.  West Virginia currently has five colleges with active SCCC organizations.  
Jerry Hess, freshman theatre production major from Hedgesville, W.Va., took the initiative to start the MSCCC student group.
“The club is basically about teaching people how to protect themselves,” Hess said.
MSCCC stands to fight for the right of all students to not only carry concealed weapons but to have the right to individually protect themselves, according to its Facebook group page.
“There is a common misconception,” Hess said.  “We’re not trying to get students to necessarily have guns.  Our organization is trying to carry out the fact that people who can conceal carry until they get on a college campus.  We’re trying to make it so that real life is college life.”
Hess said he has faced trouble promoting the group.  He said he has had problems with students opposing MSCCC by tearing down flyers on campus.
“Intimidation always comes from opposition,” Hess said.  “I support the belief that I don’t agree with your cause.  I don’t agree with the fact that you don’t support me, but I respect your right to have that opinion.  Why can’t you respect my right to have my opinion?”
According to the student handbook, concealed possession of any firearm by any individual on campus is prohibited and is a violation of university policy.  Any individual who is found to be in violation of this policy is subject to disciplinary action, which could lead to immediate dismissal.  Hess and members of MSCCC are trying to change this law.
Marshall University Police Department Director of Public Safety Jim Terry wrote the law prohibiting concealed carry on Marshall’s campus but was unavailable for an interview.
“Not to be insensitive, but do you think that the students at Columbine would have been safer had the students been armed?” said Dylan Brown, freshman English education major from Huntington.  “Having a gun in your pocket does not make you safe. Making smart choices does.”
Brown said he is opposed to concealed carry on campus because he believes it is simply unnecessary.
“I don’t agree with the idea of carrying concealed weapons on campus primarily because I don’t understand what it will fix or protect against,” Brown said.  “I’ve never been in a situation on campus that I felt would be made more comfortable or safer by having a weapon, and while I know my experiences are not universal, I’d really like to be shown some sort of evidence that our campus is an unsafe place.”
Brown said he doesn’t necessarily think concealed weapons on campus will lead to an increase in violent crime on campus.  He said he feels it is unnecessary in a learning environment.
“I’d like to see something that proves that we would be better off with an armed student population,” Brown said.  “I would not feel safer carrying a weapon.  I think that carrying a weapon makes a person more prone to violence, and I think I could do without having everyone around me packing heat.”

Carlton Apgar can be contacted at apgar5@marshall.edu.

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9 comments

Jerry Hess
Sat Nov 21 2009 04:34
To answer your questions Philip: No we are not trying to change the state laws, since the state already leaves it up to the university as to whether or not to allow concealed carry on their campus. We are trying to change that policy so that we ARE allowed to have concealed carry on campus.

Yes, yes University employees DO get to write our campus policies. I'm sure it went through the school's bureaucracy and was revised, but Jim Terry wrote the current concealed carry policy Marshall University has. As president of the organization I know this because Terry is NOT in support of us and whenever we do something of activism we must make him aware of activities and he isn't happy we are forming. The most recent flyers we hung actually had to go through an approval process and the flyer actually sits on Terry's main desk so he knows that we we're allowed to hang them.

Shoe2, to answer your concerns: Not to destroy your argument but it isn't really based on anything. The problem with your statement is that inexperienced and violent persons that would really be harmful in the manner you are talking WOULD NOT be approved for a CCW Permit. You speak out against the fact that we should have guns in the mass, yet are you aware that one in every 100 people actually has a permit and carries a handgun. Think of the last time you went to a store, say there are about 1000 people in the store. That's 10 people in the same general area as you, 10 people "packing heat" that you aren't even aware they are. These people are no more violent than you or me, but like I said: "Intimidation comes from opposition." Those against us are so good with the scare tactic they would like you to believe that those concealing handguns are violent and dangerous people when in reality they are just your average Joe.

Kentucky Student
Sat Nov 21 2009 00:04
Seems like faculty should also get behind the MSCCC. They are responsible for students' safety in the event of a fire or tornado, why not give them tools to protect the students in case of a shooter. A large class room with one or two doors is a horribly vulnerable place to be.
Philip
Fri Nov 20 2009 09:43
Hess said he has faced trouble promoting the group. He said he has had problems with students opposing MSCCC by tearing down flyers on campus.
“Intimidation always comes from opposition,” Hess said. “I support the belief that I don’t agree with your cause. I don’t agree with the fact that you don’t support me, but I respect your right to have that opinion. Why can’t you respect my right to have my opinion?”
[COLOR="Red"]
Because liberals believe that freedom of speech and expression is a right...unless you disagree with them.[/COLOR]

According to the student handbook, concealed possession of any firearm by any individual on campus is prohibited and is a violation of university policy. Any individual who is found to be in violation of this policy is subject to disciplinary action, which could lead to immediate dismissal. [COLOR="red"]So what is the consequence for a non-student ?[/COLOR] Hess and members of MSCCC are trying to change this law. [COLOR="red"]If it is a school policy, it is not really a law. Are they trying to change the law so that the school MUST allow CCW on campus?[/COLOR]

Marshall University Police Department Director of Public Safety Jim Terry [I]wrote the law[/I] prohibiting concealed carry on Marshall’s campus but was unavailable for an interview. [COLOR="red"]University employees now get to write laws?[/COLOR]

“Not to be insensitive, but do you think that the students at Columbine would have been safer had the students been armed?” said Dylan Brown, freshman English education major from Huntington. [COLOR="red"]Hey, moron, Columbine is a HIGH SCHOOL. It's pretty unlikely that any of the students were old enough to have a CCW permit - wait - it waaas in Colorado - sooo - maybeee? [/COLOR]“Having a gun in your pocket does not make you safe. Making smart choices does.” [COLOR="red"]So please describe the not-so-smart choices the students at Columbine made....[/COLOR]

Brown said he is opposed to concealed carry on campus because he believes it is simply unnecessary.

“I don’t agree with the idea of carrying concealed weapons on campus primarily because I don’t understand what it will fix or protect against,” Brown said. “I’ve never been in a situation on campus that I felt would be made more comfortable or safer by having a weapon, and while I know my experiences are not universal, I’d really like to be shown some sort of evidence that our campus is an unsafe place.” [COLOR="red"]How may VA Tech students would have said the same thing on 15 April 2007?[/COLOR]

Brown said he doesn’t necessarily think concealed weapons on campus will lead to an increase in violent crime on campus. He said he feels it is unnecessary in a learning environment.

“I’d like to see something that proves that we would be better off with an armed student population,” Brown said. [COLOR="red"]Compare the past campus shootings where firearms are allowed (or someone went off campus to retrieve a defensive firearm) to campus shootings where firearms are not allowed; then tell me how, based upon facts - not emotion or speculation - that CCW permit holders would create a worse situation. [/COLOR]“I would not feel safer carrying a weapon. [COLOR="red"]Thats fine for you.[/COLOR] I think that carrying a weapon makes a person more prone to violence,[COLOR="red"] look how violent the police are [/COLOR]and I think I could do without having everyone around me packing heat.” [COLOR="red"]Everyone will not be, only CCW permit holders who choose to carry a firearm - just like at the mall, movie theater, walmart, hardware store, Burger King, etc.[/COLOR]

Concerned Student
Thu Nov 19 2009 22:06
How can people not see the benefit of carrying a concealed weapon? It's not like you are just issued a permit. You must take an approved handgun safety course; as well as submitting to a thorough background check. Who really believes that crimnals are the ones trying to get permits. The whole point of being a criminal is to not follow the law. Wake up people! A law abiding citizen carrying a firearm is not the problem. Criminals carrying firearms and attacking weaponless law abiding citizens is. There are actually plenty of studies which have shown that violent crimes do not increase and actually slightly decrease due to the ability to carry a concealed weapon.
Tyler
Thu Nov 19 2009 14:49
Kent State, Virginia Tech, Hampton University...there was a shooting at each of these schools. If someone had been carrying a concealed weapon perhaps one or more of them could have been prevented, and if Mr. Brown truly thinks that, "...carrying a weapon makes a person more prone to violence," then he has no experience with anyone that actually carries. Oh, and by the way Mr. Brown, you've probably sat next to, or brushed past, someone carrying a concealed weapon many, many times and never known it...that's why they are called concealed weapons, and those were probably the safest moments of your life.
Texas student
Thu Nov 19 2009 12:21
This is inaccurate. Texas did not pass the concealed handguns on campus bills. Lazy reporting, lazy editing.
Brian
Thu Nov 19 2009 11:40
College campuses need more restrictions on all civil rights. Bring back segregation, lock down freedom of speach, search all persons and their possesions without probable cause and limit the basic human right of self defense. If only the administrators could see the benefit of restraining all of the bill of rights we could all be more easily programed.
shoe 2
Thu Nov 19 2009 10:47
We don't need more guns in the public or on the Universities', we need less opportunities of having weapons
available for inexperience or violent persons
owlafaye
Thu Nov 19 2009 09:46
Brown would like to see a few of the students killed before he acknowledges the common sense approach.






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